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5 challenge Obama's inclusion on Ga. ballot

President Barack Obama talks extending payroll tax cuts, Monday, Dec. 5, 2011, in the White House briefing room in Washington. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

President Barack Obama talks extending payroll tax cuts, Monday, Dec. 5, 2011, in the White House briefing room in Washington. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

ATLANTA -- Five Georgia men are challenging President Barack Obama's inclusion on next year's presidential ballot, with some arguing the Democrat is not eligible for office because the Constitution says that a president must be a "natural born citizen."

The challenges have been made through the Georgia Office of the Secretary of State.

Two of the men filing the challenges are being represented by Republican state Rep. Mark Hatfield, a Waycross lawyer.

Hatfield says he believes the United States' founders intended not only for presidents to be born in the U.S. but for their parents to also have been U.S. citizens. Obama was born to an American mother and Kenyan father.

The complaints have been referred to the state administrative hearings office.

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atllaw191 2 years, 8 months ago

Idiots in GA take note! He is a 'NATURAL BORN CITIZEN' of THESE UNITED STATES (just 'cause he wasn't born in GA and is as STUPID AS OTHER GEORGIA CITIZENS doesn't give you reason to naysay ANYTHING). All the reasons why you don't want Obama are the SAME REASONS THAT GINGRICH (yet another IDIOT) is making headway in the South....no wonder we're in the mess we're in!

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thescot 2 years, 7 months ago

Now that was a well-thought out, articulate statement of fact. Apparently atllaw191 cannot make a coherent statement. It appears that he is saying that "[Obama] is as STUPID AS OTHER GEORGIA CITIZENS," but it really doesn't make sense. The only point made is the person's obvious low opinion of everyone in Georgia. It also looks like atllaw191 is a Georgia citizen, so . . . . I wish we could know which law firm not to call upon.

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heresyafacts 2 years, 8 months ago

While I agree with you that this movement is offbase, you should reevaluate your assertion that Gingrich is "another idiot". I do not expect anyone to agree with any candidate 100%, but if you cannot find any merit in anything he has said, then I suggest your opinion is just as, if not more, biased than those you attack in this post. Btw: re: "is as stupid as other Georgia citizens"? The "atllaw" leads me to believe that you are both a Georgia resident and somehow affiliated with the legal profession, but your comments indicate otherwise.

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ClaytonBigsby 2 years, 8 months ago

"Atllaw" may be a member of the "NewRock Legal Society" or whatever their moniker is. You know, the local agitator incubator.

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johndoemo 2 years, 8 months ago

I've got a great slogan for the NewRock lawyer clowns-" Use NewRock. We will keep you from bustin' rocks.

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NitetimeinDaytime 2 years, 8 months ago

Some people need to get a life. Imagine the time they could spend on something productive. What bothers me is they have an elected official willing to go along with it. Geez.

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Rob 2 years, 8 months ago

What a waste of time. What makes him ineligible is the fact that he's a socialist! Drop the whole Kenya thing. It just showcases your stupidity. There are so many legitimate things to go after this guy for. Why do we waste our time on this stupid stuff?

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dasani 2 years, 8 months ago

Do you really know what socialism is or are you click and weak minded so much so that you just say what your peers say? Do you grow your own food? If you go to a grociers and all the vegetables or meats are set out and priced for everyone to buy then you have a social system of feeding the masses. Do you pay taxes from your paycheck? If so then you are a part of a social tax system that requires you to pay the same as everyone else based upon a tax scale; you are a part of a social tax system over the population.

What I am saying is you cannot have a society without some social function operating in it. You Right Wing idiots are fools and bigots that are a part of a socialist Bigotry society; Dummys

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thescot 2 years, 7 months ago

You obviously have no idea what you are trying to talk about. Your examples are not examples of socialism; they are examples of capitalism and taxes. A socail function is not socialism. Instead of demonstrating your ignorance for all to see-and then calling anyone who doesn't support Obama a right wing idiot is to dispaly your gross lack of knowledge. It scares me that people like you vote.

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drfunguy 2 years, 8 months ago

Sorry. You are not very supportive of democracy are you? Socialists are eligible to run for President of the US as long as they are natural born citizens over 35 years of age. Even if Obama were a socialist (which he is not by any stretch) he would be eligible. Perhaps you are unaware, but the socialist party has been running presidential candidates for close to a century. Eugene Debs got almost a million votes on the socialist ticket in 1920 I believe.

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Rob 2 years, 8 months ago

@atllaw191 I agree with you about Gingrich. It's as if we've learned NOTHING these last 3 years. It's almost as if the whole country both Left and Right wants a giant government nanny state. The lack of political knowledge and education of our voters is memorizing. If these folks want 4 more years of out of control government? Then I guess Gingrich is their man. Obama will go down in history as the worst president ever.....even topping Carter's failures. And people are turning to Gingrich to get us out of this. Good grief!

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heresyafacts 2 years, 8 months ago

Agree about Obama. As Chas. Krauthammer said, Obama "is a great orator. He came out of nowhere. He dazzled America. He had never run anything. He never actually enacted anything even in the legislature. He hadn’t run a state. He hadn’t run a city. He hadn’t run a business. He is running the biggest enterprise in the world and he has not succeeded. And that is why all of these independents, all of those who believed in a soaring rhetoric, including probably a couple who swooned in the aisles as he spoke in 2008, are now waking up and realizing he is a mortal who is in over his head.”

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davidfarrar 2 years, 8 months ago

As one of the five Georgians now challenging Obama's access to the Georgia ballot, I can tell you one of the biggest reasons I am presenting such a challenge is because Obama has not shown the pride in his office to address these questions about his eligibility himself.

To date I have not been able to find one cross-corroborating facts that would substantiate any of Obama's birth information presented on his two birth certificates.
What I have been able to find is that there is a material error of fact that is present on both of Obama's birth documents, "certified" by Hawaiian state officials to be error free.

Since there is an error in Obama's two birth certificates, the prima facie information printed on his two birth certificates can no longer be relied upon as the lone source to "prove" Obama has met his US Constitutional qualifications. In order to "prove" Mr. Obama is qualified, he needs to produce corroborating evidence that will support his birth certificate information. Generally, this is done by simply going to his hospital records, as Donald Trump did inside of a week's time. Thus far Obama has simply failed to prove he is qualified to take the office of the presidency.

As I state on my website at: http://georgiavoices.blogspot.com, "I have to go to this court because Obama doesn’t have the honor, nor the public pride in the office of President, to ask the Supreme Court (not Congress, not the voters, not the consensus of legal opinion) for a declaratory judgment in resolving these doubts before the next election in 2012 himself."

ex animo davidfarrar

http://www.rockdalecitizen.com/users/photos/2011/dec/21/33286/

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yakdriver 2 years, 8 months ago

A fool and their money are soon parted

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Disgusted88 2 years, 8 months ago

You're an idiot, and using any excuse for your thinly-veiled racism. He's produced the birth certificate. It's over.

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thinkingperson 2 years, 8 months ago

This is just off the top of my head, but if I recall, Andrew Jackson had TWO immigrant parents (Irish), Thomas Jefferson’s Mom was English, and Herbert Hoover’s mom was from Canada. These facts (Google them yourself) tell me that these men bringing this challenge & their lawyer are incredibly misinformed. This is obvious judging by the glaring factual errors on Mr. Farrar's website. And these are the suppositions which make up the base arguments for this challenge! A Google search easily tells you that there are more than two presidents with foreign-born parents. This is a gigantic waste of time. I don't know why no one at the paper or in these comments has yet pointed out that there are several other US presidents who had at least one foreign-born parent. It's a disservice to readers to present the details of this challenge as if they were correct.

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davidfarrar 2 years, 8 months ago

Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson used the grandfather clause contained in Art II to qualify. Herbert Hoover's mom gained her US Citizenship at the time of her marriage to Herbert, as allowed by the US Immigration laws at the time.

ex animo davidfarrar

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octothorp 2 years, 8 months ago

By these 5 idiots arguments, George Washington could not have been the president either nor many of the other early presidents as there were no citizens before the country was founded and hence, their parents could not have been citizens either. In less than one more year, the House and Senate will be back in the hands of people with a brain and I'm not referring to Republicans or their Tea Party ilk.

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saintbump 2 years, 8 months ago

I don't care where he was born. IMHO I do not feel that he has help up to any of his campaign promises, and has certainly taken part in attempting to remove our freedoms. I do not feel that he has done a good enough job to warrant a second term. Our current government is attempting to strip Americans of their Constitutional rights, and he has not protected the citizen's best interests, nor has the Senator's that signed and approved of the NDAA or any other bill that attempts to thwart the Constitutional Amendments 1 - 10.

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mscarborough 2 years, 8 months ago

Senator John McCain was NOT born in the United States. If McCain had won the election in 2008, would these same idiots be challenging his right to be President of the United States? I seriously doubt it.

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davidfarrar 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, of course.

I have also opposed Mitt Romney on the same grounds. He isn't a natural born Citizen, the evidence would suggest. Marco Rubio, Susan Martenez - Governor of New Mexico - are not A2S1C5 nbC either. The same goes for Gov. Jindal - Governor of Louisiana, Gov. Sandoval - Governor of Nevada, and Gov. Randhawa Haley, Governor of South Carolina --

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Mgbtv 2 years, 8 months ago

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.

Get over it and accept you have a great President.

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davidfarrar 2 years, 8 months ago

The point being "natural born", or "native born": those being born within the jurisdiction of parents, grandparents, et cetera, who were themselves citizens. People who are simply born here of alien parents, may be US citizens at birth, but they are not "native born"...they are not a "stronger" check against foreign influence as opposed to a "native" or "natural born" Citizen, and are therefor unconstitutional.

ex animo davidfarrar

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stupidGArednecks 2 years, 8 months ago

These five redneck idiots and their many brothers in arms in this state just go to prove why Georgia has consistently, over the years, been ranked 49th and 50th in education. Get back to the second grade you racist dummies.

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nextphase 2 years, 8 months ago

davidfarrar you are the kind of person who sometimes makes it embarrassing to be a Georgian! farrar....hmmmmm...sounds foreign to me...oh my !

It's sad that our state legislators waste their time with the absurd. It is obvious we need them to spend time raising the level of education in our wonderful state. Some adults who were schooled here are proof of that!

Our statewide level of education is a sad statement as to our commitment to our children. THE CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE and ours and theirs is very dim.

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VPublicola 2 years, 8 months ago

...and the dumbing down of America, hereabove exemplified, continues without prejudice or deference.

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birdscribe 2 years, 8 months ago

Thinking Person -- which obviously doesn't apply to these ignorant individuals -- beat me to this very good point.

Hey David and Co. Lemme clue you in on a ilttle secret. NONE of the Founding Fathers had parents who were U.S. citizens? That would be "none." Nada. Zip. Zero. So how can you and your Snuffy Smith wanna-bes sitting around the cracker barrel contributing nothing but carbon dioxide to society come up with the notion that our Founders intended for both parents to be citizens?

Here's a suggestion. Mute the Fox News, turn off Limbaugh and pick up a history book. You might actually learn something productive.

Rob, that goes for you too, although I'd add a dictionary as well. Turn to the "S" page and look up "socialism." If you still think that applies to Obama, well, then you're as ignorant as these five yahoos.

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davidfarrar 2 years, 8 months ago

birdscribe,

Please read Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States, grandfather clause to address your erroneous assertions.

Thank you.

ex animo davidfarrar

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ArtH 2 years, 8 months ago

I was part of the group who were the founding members of the Young Republicans in the 1960's. We knew Newt back then. No one said he wasn't smart, we just said he could not be trusted. His specialty was to make back room deals with both of two opposing groups and then play a game of "Hey, lets you and him fight". We know Newt was out only for Newt's view of what was best for his own advancement.

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Elmo 2 years, 7 months ago

Gee whiz...everyone needs to just calm down...Georgia is only doing what the rest of America forgot to do in 2008...ascertain if the presidential candidate was legal. That shouldn't be too hard to understand as the current crop of candidates undergo anal exams from the mainstream/liberal media...and, each other.

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NitetimeinDaytime 2 years, 6 months ago

@ Elmo. It was done. Prior to 2008. How anyone can possibly believe that he was not fully vetted and something as simple as this was overlooked. Get over it. Disagree with the man because of his policies, don't try to make it into something it is not. Geez

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