Monday, June 4, 2012
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Rockdale Citizen
CONYERS -- The owners of a dry cleaners where held up at gunpoint Saturday afternoon and robbed of an undisclosed amount of cash.
The Conyers Police Department is looking for two black males who came in the back door of Plaza Cleaners at 1815 Ga. Highway 138 at about 2:15 p.m. Saturday and demanded cash from the husband and wife in their 50s who own and operate the business.
According to the incident report, the two suspects, both armed with semi-automatic handguns, first demanded the money from the cash register. When the wife handed over the cash, the suspects demanded more money, and the husband opened his wallet and they took the money inside.
On the way out the suspects reportedly asked to use the restroom, but the wife, who was very shaken, asked that they leave them alone. The suspects left through the back door, closing it behind them.
Both suspects are believed to be in their late 20s or early 30s. One was described as having a slender build, 5 feet, 8 inches tall, and light-skinned, possibly biracial -- Hispanic and black. He had short hair and was wearing a black hat and a black sleeveless shirt. The second suspect was described as having an average build, 5 feet, 5 inches tall, and dark-skinned. He also had short hair and was wearing a green shirt. Both suspects wore sports-styled sunglasses.
In other police news, two men were charged with aggravated assault after another man was shot in the chest.
Police were called last Tuesday morning at about 6:30 to an Overlook Way residence where they found a 32-year-old man with a gunshot wound lying on the living room floor. A woman was kneeling beside him holding a towel to his chest.
The woman, who lives at the Overlook Way residence with the victim, said that her youngest child's father, Jose Morales-Garcia, 27, of an unknown address, and Freddy Mendoza, 28, of 13 East Mocking Bird Lane, Lawrenceville, entered the house through the front door. The woman told police that Garcia opened fire on the victim with a black handgun. She said the victim ran to the kitchen with Garcia following and firing shots.
The victim fell to the floor in the kitchen, according to the woman, and Garcia walked up to him and fired another shot at him.
Garcia and Mendoza allegedly fled in a teal green station wagon. They were stopped by a Rockdale County Sheriff's Office deputy in front of Heritage Hills Baptist Church and were subsequently turned over to the Conyers Police Department.
National EMS was called to the house where EMTs found that the victim had been shot once in the left side of his chest, about 6 inches below his armpit.
Police found four bullet holes in the kitchen area -- in the door frame, baseboard, wall and floor.
Garcia was charged with aggravated assault and remained in the Rockdale County Jail as of Monday. Mendoza was charged with aggravated assault and willful obstruction of law enforcement officers. He was released on bond after three days in jail.
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Comments
Zo 11 months, 3 weeks ago
Lets ask the Conyers PD why they had "5" patrol cars at the Chevron on Hwy 138 Saturday harassing Washington and Ferguson while they were campaigning? Those "5" cars could have been up the street patrolling and possibly preventing this robbery. Maybe when they go through their gold class they will learn about prioritizing.
It's funny how my post are selectively being posted. The Rockdale Citizen paper is truly showing their true "color".
Frizzlefry 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Probably because you spew the race card every post. Just sayin'.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I spew the truth that exposés the racial element(s) in this county & paper. It is what is sadly.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Geez Oz is EVERYTHING racist with you? It seems like you are th efirst to play the race card with every article that is published. Cant you come up with a better argument? Just sayin' (couldnt help myself Frizzle)
REK 11 months, 2 weeks ago
The robbers knew the cops were busy busting up the illegal events facility. Easy pickens'
Spydee 11 months, 2 weeks ago
2 Black males.... say's it all....this would NEVER have happened a few years ago...Thanks Oprah
EarlyBird 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Sad, but oh so true.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
It sounds like it all happened so fast that 100police cars could not have helped, Zo. But, just for grins, let's say the cops were right there, and arrested, or even sot, the perps.THEN, you would have declared that the cops, and the sheriff, we're"racists" for arresting blacks. Of course, if Ferguson was in charge, I'm sure he would have "miracled" the situation away and the perps and the victims would have kissed and made-up, and would be playing together with the unicorns. You...are delousional.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Emo, the facts are a business was robbed, you had 5 patrol cars harassing two professional men of law enforcement mind you who were on private property. But go ahead make lite of the situation It wasn't you with a gun pointed at you. I bet if the business owners knew their police were down the street questioning campaighn signs instead of patrolling their area they would demand answers.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I guess if Ferguson tripped and fell you would blame that on the "virtual hoods" as well.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, cops do a lot of things, it's part of their job description. If the gun was pointing at me, or you, the finger on the trigger is still faster than any cop in the world could prevent, even your darling ferguson.
It is the duty of the police to enforce ALL laws, not just the laws you happen to like. Whether it's robbery, or just campaign signs, it's still their duty. You didn't know that? How can you claim the ferguson would be a better sheriff when you have such an obvious limited knowledge of a cops sworn duty? I'm sure that "Fergie" - with all of his Fulton County "experience" would have ridden up on his wild stallion saved the day at that robbery. It's simple...you don't like the cops because they're not YOUR cops. The department isn't being run by YOUR pick, so you see them as inept. My 9-year-old nephew probably thinks that way, too. People who have nothing to fear from the police, like the police.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I wasn't using the race card, but sadly it's easy to apply it. I just simply stated that those resources could have been utlized else where. Especially now that we had a business being robbed. Conyers PD gold program will teach them how to manage their staff. Again, they had 5 patrol cars at Chevron harassing Washington, who is running for judge and Ferguson, who is running for sheriff.
My question, 5 patrol cars with lights on was needed to ask 2 professional gentleman with law enforcement background to step back 3 feet? While you have a business owner being held up at gun point.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Oz if you check satistics not many 911 calls are made DURING a robbery. Its only afterward that people call.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
maybe someone thought Washington and Ferguson were robbing the business.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately, a "crystal ball" is not standard issue for the police. With no 911 call, exactly how we're they supposed to know a robbery was in progress? I think you watch too many cop shows on TV. By you saying - about using the race card - that would be "easy to apply it", you're just using it retroactively. It's your safety net when you're losing the debate. It's your "ace up you sleeve", and you obviously never leave home, or this board, without it. According to the story, the perps held a gun on the store owners while they were robbing the place, then they were gone, well, after one of the used the bathroom, that is. So tell us, we're the victims supposed to say, "excuse me while I call 911" with a gun pointing at them? I don't think so, Zo.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
1) Law enforcement personnel cannot be incessantly ubiquitous.
2) Law enforcement is not predicated on predicting when and where a crime may or may not occur, but is an after the fact action.
3) Public safety is the public's business. Law enforcement authorities take the lead and some of them work at it full time. However, at all times, and especially in times like these, it is every citizen's business. Crime prevention starts by taking personal responsibility for your own public safety, or that of your business, and arming yourself.
The fact that Conyers PD may, or may not, have had 5 officers enforcing other laws, for which they were likely called to that location in response to a complaint (their job), is no more responsible for the Plaza Cleaners robbery than are Washington and Ferguson for breaking the law, which necessitated the police being at their location.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Ask for the 911 call that required 5 patrol cars to have to show up at the Chevron on Hwy 138 where the OWNER gave Ferguson & Washington permission to be there? It's sad how you all (virtual hoods) support racial stupidity. This my 2nd attempt on asking for the 911 call, but I guess the paper prefer to support the emo and crew.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo,
The fact that 5, or ever how many officers, were somewhere else enforcing the law is irrelevant to the Plaza Cleaner's robbery and the news story. Your belief perseverance seems to be clouding your better judgement and critical thinking ability thereby leading you to an illusory correlation. Even if those officers were not actively engaged in eforcing other laws at the same time Plaza Cleaners was being robbed, it would not have prevented the Plaza Cleaners robbery. While it is not clear from the story, it is quite evident that the owners of the Cleaners called to report the crime after the fact as opposed to during the robbery.
If you want the recording of the 911 call or any other such information then get off your derriere and submit a Georgia Open Records Act request for the information to the appropriate entity (i.e., Conyers PD). It is not the job of the media to respond to your requests for such information nor are they the appropriate entity to contact for such information.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
you can get it yourself just submit an open record request. why depend on the Citizen to get it for you?
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, I would rather see the 911 call from the Chevron station. If Fergie and Washington "had permission" to be there, then WHY were the cops summoned there on the first place? And, it's Elmo, not "emo".
maryinga 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Many of you are getting way off course about this story. I really don't think this is the place for your playground arguements!! Lets face what is going on. Someone got shot and a business got robbed. This is what we, as citizens need to focus on. Stopping all this crime. Granted the police are supose to find these people.....if families would start the training at home and be responsible this wouldn't happen as much. I guess those days are long gone!!
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I totally agree with you, however the system is the problem as well. I know for a fact there were 5 patrol cars harassing 2 gentlemen who were located on private property. Rather than those 5 patrolling the area. Sorry you miss my perspective. I feel for that couple, I do business there, & to know the officers were down the street harassing a soon to be judge & sheriff while these good people were being victimized should be an issue for ALL including you.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Elmo we finally agree, my bad Elmo...that's what I'm asking for is the 911 call that asked for assistance at the Chevron and required 5 patrol cars? My guess we won't have a call because no call exists it was merely something Conyers PD took upon itself to "harrass" Washington & Ferguson. As we see now those 5 vital resources could have been patrolling & possibly been a deterrent to the real criminals.
Elmo, just follow the trail & I bet you there is NO 911 call? @ vpubic you have the insight prove me wrong & get the transcript & post it? You won't do it because you will ONLY prove my point. Hope this get posted.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
"@ vpubic you have the insight prove me wrong & get the transcript & post it? You won't do it because you will ONLY prove my point."
It is not my responsibility to prove you right; that's your job. It is not my responsibility to do your work for you (hmmm, some irony there!). Much of the responses to this thread are predicated on your statement that 5 Conyers PD cars were at a Chevron Station 'harassing' Ferguson and Washington who may, or may not have been, violating some law. Yet, you have offered no proof to back-up this statement; nor any evidence to indicate that this event occured simultaneous with the robbery of the cleaners; nor whether any of those officer were notified of the robbery; nor what time the PD was notified of the robbery. Then, when questioned your incredulous response is for someone else to do the work you should have done!
Those 5 vital resources could have been doing a lot of things, but it is doubtful and improbable - short of one unlikely event ( see below) - would have done anything to prevent the robbery of the cleaners. Unless you are going to obatin all records of crimes committed and locations of all on-duty officers at the times such crimes were committed, your presumptions such as this are futile and pointless. Then you'd have to have a hissy fit about a person being shot while some LE officer was writing a traffic ticket (or harassing a motor vehicle operator in your langauge). It seems to me that your expectations of LE are unobtainable and therefore LE officers are darned if they do and darned if they don't. I can't help but wonder if you would hold the same if there was one instance where a Conyers PD officer was handling an animal control violation during which the same time someone home/business got robbed.
Those miscreant derelicts entered through the back door of the cleaners. This suggests to me that their robbery was premeditated and planned. Unless LE obtained information prior to the robbery then the likelihood of preventing the crime is nil and the only way it might have been prevented by LE would be if an officer happened to be picking up his/her clothing at the cleaners at the specific time the robbery was being initiated.
Again,
1) Law enforcement personnel cannot be incessantly ubiquitous.
2) Law enforcement is not predicated on predicting when and where a crime may or may not occur, but is an after the fact action. Laws DO NOT prevent crime; they only hold the perpetrators responsible for their unlawful actions subject to our judicial system.
3) Public safety is the public's business. Law enforcement authorities take the lead and some of them work at it full time. However, at all times, and especially in times like these, it is every citizen's business. Crime prevention starts by taking personal responsibility for your own public safety, or that of your business, and arming yourself.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Vpubic it took 5 officers to ask 2 candidates to back up 3ft, it take 5 officers to write a ticket, it take 5 officers for animal control, it take 5 officers to do simple task? I'm not making it up it happen, so now what that you running out of excuses? It sounds like you need to sit on the little gold class as well vpubic.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
"It sounds like you need to sit on the little gold class as well vpubic [sic]."
Thanks for your concern and may be you should turn the volume down on your computer! I manage an operation with over 150 employees and we are a quite successful organization.
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
If the cpd had not been trying to handke a simple thing like this that could be handled by ONE officer or maybe another dept in the city the other FOUR would have been on patrol and might have been visable in the area where the cleaner is and the thugs would have thought twice about scaring the crap out of these people. We need to ask ourselfs if the cpd is so incompitant that it takes 5 orficers to handle such a small problem as campaining at a store that has ok'ed the use of thier property. Was this really a big problem or was it politically motivated. I know it makes me wonder when a citizen of the county or city is bombarded by several SO or PD orfices for making an illegal turn. Jack booted thugs and good ole boy officers have got to go. Gold standered???? maybe lead or copper
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, I'm not going to run your rabbits for you.
It's hard to fathom that five officers, in different cars, would get on the police band radio to hatch a plot to harass Fergie and Washinton without something directing them to the location. How, exactly, did those cops know that those two were at the Chevron station? If the two were being "harassed", then why haven't filed harassment charges with the PD? Or, filed a lawsuit? If OJ's jury is not busy, you might actually win the case!
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
@Maryinga. If this not the place for discussing this, then, pray-tell, what is? We can all don our "Captain Obvious" uniforms and declare "what we need to focus on", but it's like "hope and change", where "hope" is an excuse for DOING nothing, and nothing will change unless something is done. And, if these "playground arguments" bother you, then why are you participating in them? Communication amongst the people - unfiltered by the media - is needed in today's society. But, just for your sake, let's say that we halt all of this discussing and "focus" on the problem...let's just say... I don't see any better way to focus on a past-tense occurrence than discussing it? We can't "undo" it. Other than the voting booth, or joining the police force, what would you suggest, other than slamming those who are discussing it? Most of this thread has been to discuss the "5 officers" who we're supposedly at the Chevron station when the robbery occurred. So, let's "focus" on that for a nanosecond. Should "we, the people" just sit and "focus" while someone is berating the police force in order to just support their favorite candidates? The moment politics completely takes over, we are all doomed. But, thanks for volunteering yourself as the "citizens poll police", and telling us what we should be doing instead of exercising our First amendment right, now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take Tim to "focus".
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Emo, above you BEGGED me to not call you emo, but you continuously call Ferguson out of his name.
Secondly, you jumped ship and shifted your argument to "you can't fathom 5 officers did that to Washington & Ferguson". Remember, if a real 911 call exist that's how they ALL knew. Or when they're doing dirt they use another form of communications. Possibly because they are still going through their little gold class they haven't reached the "prioritize chapter" yet, so they don't know any better.
Ferguson & Washington are victims of this type of harassment all the time, but we know if they filed ANY complaint(s) and/or lawsuit (ask Alcovy principal) the virtual hood community & paper would say they're whining.
So not sure emo why you backed out of gathering the facts, maybe it will implicate you. Hope this get posted as quickly as yours.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, you are a panicky one, aren't you? I never said that would do any of your research for you...I was challenging you to bring forth some proof of your claims. You can't, and you won't. I could care less about 911 tapes and your Fergie/Washington causes. The "proof" is for YOU to provide, not me. Don't make the mistake thinking that I'm on your side, I'm not! Making your candidates into "victims" carries no measure with me, whatsoever.
I see by your posts that you can talk the talk, but are not willing to walk the walk. Why am I not surprised? Lusting for power and celebrity status are NOT qualifications for holding public office, and I would predict that if your guy were to win, the crime rate in Rockdale would double within the first year, and quadruple before his term was out!
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
emo I will agree with the post above these side arguments are not for this comment section (catch you on the Citizen poll). Based on what I've read, I've made my point 5 officers harassed Ferguson & Washington instead of patrolling the area to catch 2 perps sneaking in the back door of a business during the day in an open plaza traveled by many except for Conyers pd who was ALL down the street watching Ferguson & Washington.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
<p>@Bubba...well, who are the thugs, you have called the perps who robbed the store "thus", and you have called police "thugs". Since you seem to share Zo's views on this, I'll assume s/he's called in reinforcements. So here we go, it's a Fergie/Washington tag-team match. Racial code words abound. Zo likes to use "virtual hoods" and you prefer "good ol' boys". As for "jack-booted thugs", you've out reading those on-line blogs too much. I still wonder why you two haven't taken some legal action about all of this? You don't seem near as upset about the crime as you are the alleged harassment. No surprise there! If those same five cops had been saving one of your loved ones from a mugger, would they still be at fault about the robbery at the dry cleaners? I mean, they would brave been "somewhere else" when the crime took place, right? Or is it that you and Zoe are trying to bestow "victim" status on your candidates? Your arguments are moot, and hold no credence with most people. The CPD is doing their job, and no, I am not affiliated with them, nor do I even know any of them.Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I feel for the family that got robbed, again I know them. I would be supporting the officers if they were occupied fighting crime not down the street harassing 2 candidates who are standing on private property. And the 5 officers reason was to ask them to stand back 3 feet. We should ALL be in an uproar over this waste of resources in a crime infested area. Maybe with the gold class change will come and resources will be allocated differently & we will see a drastic decline in crime.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I've lived in Rockdale for over 60 years, it was never "crime infested" until about five years ago...you do the math.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
emo I did your math of your age now I know where your dislike of Blacks & Dems come from. But it's never to late to teach an old dog new tricks. Man, your stuff get posted quickly I'm still waiting on a few post.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, you're assuming again. You probably go ballistic when someone "profiles" you, and yet you feel free to do the same thing. You're a flaming hypocrite on all fronts. This thread started from my challenging YOUR position on this matter, not all blacks and dems. You are playing that race card again, you must be out of arguments. You have a one-track mind.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Were Ferguson and Washington at the Chevron at the intersection of Highway 138 and Flat Shoals Road?
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Yep, the ONLY gas station at that intersection. And to add insult to injury the OWNER gave them permission to campaign there, but 5 officers with lights flashing pulled in & began harassing them. Mind you 3 minutes away a family business is left unprotected because all the officers are harassing Ferguson & Washington. But come on with your point I know it's a loaded question..please leave assumptions out and deal with facts.
My facts, we do know 5 officers were there at the Chevron, we do know a business 3 minutes away was robbed, & we do know now no 911 call was placed that required 5 officers to ask Ferguson & Washington to move back 3ft.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
"But come on with your point I know it's a loaded question.."
Zo, the question, "Were Ferguson and Washington at the Chevron at the intersection of Highway 138 and Flat Shoals Road?" is NOT a loaded question because it does not contain a fallacious presupposition nor does it include 'loaded language', such as emotive langauge or language that appeals to emotion. It is nothing more than a simple question of fact to determine presence at a specific location.
Examples of simple loaded questions are, "Are you still a homosexual?" or "Do you still beat your wife?"
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Helpful tool: http://www.crimemapping.com/map/ga/conyers
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo you havent proven anything other than how much you like to taut Ferguson and Washington. If you have proof the police were harassing them bring it forward. Otherwise quit with the baseless claims and racebaiting you like to print. Lets have facts not your personal opinion.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I did prove my point about the 5 cars of officers harassing Ferguson & Washington at the Chevron on hwy 138 Saturday. Which is about 3 minutes from where this poor family business was robbed. If you care to do nothing, fine, I just wanted the public to be aware of the misuse of authority.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Belief perseverance is not proof.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Have you ever stopped to think someone may have called the police and said something more serious was going on? Why dont you file an open records request to get a copy of the phone call to the police? People make false reports to the police all the time. The answer is simple..you dont want to tell the TRUTH about it.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
The point is, Zo, you have no point.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, you haven't proven a thing...no 911 tape from Chevron, no pictures, no witnesses...you've only proven one thing, that you are in the tank for Fergie & Washington. NO ONE knew that robbery was taking place but the two people being held at gunpoint, and the perps. Your continual belaboring of that point is asinine. Wake up and smell the roses. Trying to explain this to you is like arguing with a STOP sign. Are you letting your ideology blot out your common sense? You seem to be incensed - not because of the cops NOT being at the cleaners, but because Fergie & Wash got their feelings hurt. There are a lot more than five cops, WHY aren't you ragging on THEM for not being at the scene of the crime? Oh, never mind, it's because Fergie & Wash were at the Chevron station. That pretty much says it all about your claims...it seems it doesn't matter where all the other cops were, huh? I would say you've got a one-track mind, but I think it derailed about 25 posts ago.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
emo, if your last post were your true sentiments you would have stopped 24 posts ago. You thought your typical rhetoric would sway people, but then you realized my facts were on point now you need to start the personal attacks. Not sure if you haven't realized I embrace the attacks as conformation I'm exposing all this hatred. All I wanted to do was make the public aware 5 officers came and harassed Ferguson & Washington while this business was being robbed. What I left out was how Mumford at Old Salem & Hwy 138 was actually campaigning illegally, but guess what NO officers harassed them at all. I know they were following the law, but those Black folks are always breaking the law. Cool, if it's important to the public to follow up on why resources were misused rather than being utilized more efficiently and possibly could have prevented the robbery only time will time. The disheartening part is that you have to cheat to possibly win. I pray for Washington, Ferguson, and anyone else who still being attacked based on their skin color. My advice to ALL those Blacks running for public office to stay strong and pray for thos ignorant people still can't accept equality in the world(Rockdale & Conyers). Also, emo you proved more than you know when you 1. confirmed you plus 60 yrs old 2. Begged me to stop calling you emo, but you continue to call Ferguson out of his name. (http://www.rockdalecitizen.com/news/2012/jun/04/conyers-dry-cleaners-held-up-at-gunpoint/#c37572) Those 1950's & 1960's are long gone...We's free now
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, are you on crack or something? No one, but you, cares about the five officers at the Chevron station. Several others on this board have tried to explain it to you, but we're just not getting through. You don't seem to understand discussion, or debating. You want to filibuster and look for every opportunity to insert your racist views. That seems to be all you're about...racism. It works both ways, you know. IF its important for the public to "follow up" on the "misuse of resources", then, where are they? I've seen nothing in the paper about it, it's not been on TV. Do you know why? Because its not newsworthy. It would be like accusing using someones son of DUI, or something. The little "pretend world" you seem to live in is far out of touch with reality. Making racial implications toward me is not going to change the fact that I look at the candidates record and his/her character. You, on the other hand, seem to look at nothing but the color of their skin. How pathetic, and racist, is that? Perception, is reality, and reality seems to be something you avoid like the plague. In the 50's &60's, I was a kid, and could have cared less about politics. All I cared about was girls, and guitars. You can read what you want into my age, but that only makes older and obviously wiser, than you. I lived through what you only read about in revised history books. You've been indoctrinated into embracing the talking points and the party line, a lot like a robot. And, it's like talking to a robot, too. If you think I'm a racist, then that's fine. That word has been so overused it has lost all of its meaning. You seem to see racism everywhere, even in some ones age. How pathetic is that to have such a narrow, an immature view of the world? You've mentioned the five cops at the Chevron station about 25 times, so far. Besides me and a few others, who has even responded? Have you called the paper to ask why they are not running it? No, you haven't. You just want to gripe about it, right? You want it to become a racial issue in hopes that it will score points for your guys. People are pretty much tired of all the divisiveness, Zo. The race card is worn and tattered and is seen mostly as a play of desperation. My last question to you is this: why aren't you posting to those two thugs who robbed the cleaners, asking them to surrender (there's a $1,000 reward you know)? Why aren't you asking them to give up their life of crime? The robbery was their doings, not the (alleged) five cops at Chevron. Again, you could give a flying flip about preventing, or solving, the crime. You only want the PD to be in trouble for political reasons. You have actually done more harm to your candidates than anyone else could ever do with you aside posts, and if I were one of them, I would ask you to cease and decist with the rhetoric. As a retired and former member of the media, I can assure you it's getting you nowhere fast.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Thanks for confirming you have ties to the media. Since you have that relationship with the media ask them to explore the issue that 5 officers were at the Chevron engaged with Ferguson & Washington? No harm no foul. You asking rhetorical question when you darn well why the media is not addressing ANY of my concerns. The same media that didn't run an article and/or post the video of the last forum at Johnson Park, because they knew The More Of The Same Partners, Wigington & Levett, were a joke. It took me to post it in the comment section & people now see for themselves them two, wigington&levett are a joke. Being you are from the media you know darn well this Rockdale Citizen paper is bias in its reporting, where are the Editor notes now? It's cool, you lived and you know first hand how us Blacks will over come this minor set back. Sooner than later this bias paper will be exposed. Emo ensure this get posted.
Just_Lurking 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, what's up with the proof? I'm not saying I don't believe you, but show us something. Give us a link to something that proves that 5 officers showed up. It is ridiculous for five police cars to show up just to tell two people to move back 3 feet. But just because it's ridiculous doesn't mean it can't be true. So if it is true, show us. I don't want to believe that you're just all talk and no action. Do the leg work.
heresyafacts 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Good point. No cell phone pics?
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
The Government minutes were all used up!
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
leo <><>I mean elmo your the one that has the one track mind wake up to the fact that we need some change around these parts by the way are you running for office?? and no I'm not in the ferggie camp (yet) and not saying that I will be but if the present admin doesn't come out with some idea of change to help this county I wont be in Jeff's camp either there are some slim pickins out there
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
ELMO ELMO ELMO wow this has got to be the worse thing ever every comment I make hardly ever gets posted I think elmo must work for the citizen come on with you idiot rant there elmo you called me out and I will be glad to meet you and debate the issues anytime I have lived here for a long long time as well and I know WE NEED SOMETHING TO CHANGE b/4 we get as bad as dekalb and atlanta stop defending to good ole boys and wake up. Do you know what the definition of insane is?? doing the same thing over and over and expecting differant results......Come on we need something to change as barney once said we need to nip it in the bud and sometimes I think he works for the RCSO and by the way I do know some officers on both forces
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Bubba, we do need a lot of changes here, with that I'll agree. But it's not up to the RCSO, it's up to the politicians. The Sherrif's office is merely a tool of the politicos, and what you see here, is happening all over the country. Most authorities are so hamstrung with political correctness that proper law enforcement is like spitting in the Pacific Ocean and expecting the water level to rise. I've lived for a long time too, over 60 years, and I've witnessed Rockdale go from a sleepy little bedroom community, to "Detroit". I don't envy the RCSO with the task that lies before them, it's like trying to herd cats. Just ask the DeKalb police. I think wigginton is doing as well as could be expected, given the current circumstances, and decidedly better than his opponents, given thei what ive read about them. We, in America, as well as Rockdale, have stocked our public offices badly over the past 50 years, and we are now seeing the morbid results. I'll not likely be here when it all comes to fruition, but it WILL come to fruition eventually. Rockdale will probably never be exactly the same again, but that doesn't mean that we roll over and start acting indentured. Stand up, be proud, and VOTE. The light of truth always makes the roaches scurry for cover when it's tuned on, and we need to keep it bright and shining.
deathtotaxes 11 months, 2 weeks ago
You would think 2 people runing for judge and sheriff would know something simple like campaigning laws.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
What law was broken, because no cititation(s) were given out. It merely was for harassment only, but at the expense of a business owner & his wife. Maybe the paper will post this 1this my 2nd attempt. Emo pls post
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
elmo I do and have voted in Rockdale every time there is an election> You say it's up to the polititions?? well the last time I looked the sheriff IS A POLITITION. It is up to him to make changes in the SO that try to keep up with the changes in population and crime and I think this SO admin has fallen behind some what. All I want is for him to come out with some new ideas that would lay out what he plans to do to keep up. This I haven't seen from him YET. You can't continue to do the same thing over and over and expect differant results. We need a new plan or we need a new sheriff ( politition). Where is the plan of attack for the sitting sheriff to move foward with the new problems we are seeing. Any time an elected official is in office for more than one term they become comfortable with thier position and the people he/she has placed around them as support and the more lax things get. A good example of this is in DC where we have folks in office some 20-30- yrs and it's biz as usual. WE NEED NEW IDEAS OR NEW PEOPLE
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
What? Like someone with an on-line "degree" from Grand Canyon University?
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, he hasn't earned that degree yet. He wants the citizens to elect him on that promise, also, which he indicates will be fulfilled in 2013.
Actions, like campiagning illegally and illegally placing campaign signs and inability to manage one's personal finances (e.g., bankruptcy) tell me more than one's words ever could!
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Ferguson is obtaining his Ph.D from a Christian college, Grand Canyon University(http://m.gcu.edu/).
deathtotaxes 11 months, 2 weeks ago
A Ph.D in what? He should do his research on campianing laws first.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, it is not a Ph.D. It is an Ed.D. and in the subject of Organizational Leadership. Grand Canyon University does not offer a Ph.D. in Organizational Leadership. In my opinion, Organizational Leadership is not an academic pursuit and the same training can be obtained for much less money by attending, for example, a 3-day Carnegie urse in Leaderhsip ad Organizational Development. However, you will not receive paper that confers upon you three alphabetic letters, which in the case mean nothing.
Of course, one might think that a leader with effective skills in organizational development and leadership would not have their staff or themselves violating campaign laws and sign ordinances especially when they are pursuing an office in law enforcement or the judicial system.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Vpubic, Ferguson can pick whichever path he likes. Furthermore, Ed.D & Ph.D both are doctorates(Highest degree possible) regardless of your attempt to minimize his accomplishment.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, I would never desire to minimize one's accomplishment in attempting to misrepresent themselves in an effort mislead potential voters. I am confident that your candidate is proud of those accomplishments. I, personally, place the same value on a Ed.D. in Organizational Leadership as I would a Ph.D. or Ed.D. in Basketweaving, Phallology, Surfing Studies, Ufology, and others. I consider them spectacularly useless.
Some such degrees (e.g., Organizational Leaderhsip) are seen by some as a magic ticket to electoral success to minimize, or detract from, critical applied educational or technical job requirements. Some in the 'educational market' have recognized a demand for easier access to higher education degrees, especially for those who may not succeed in a traditional institution, and have exploited that market.
Elmo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, Zo, a sheriff doesn't really need "new ideas", he has reams and reams of books full of them. It's called the "law". It's an easy concept,, you do bad things, you go to jail. Now, isn't that simple? What would your Guys do, cut entitlement checks if the perps "promise" to be good little boys and girls? Most every nation on this planet has laws, and most are much more severe than our system. Society can't be a free-for-all...it won't work...like socialism, it's been tried time and time again, and it never worked, anywhere. I can check the police blotter on any given day and see the current Sheriff is doing a good job. He's a proven entity, not a bag of hot air.
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
some people just can't except change because its such a scarry thing The laws don't need changing just the way we go about policing If Jeff can prove to me he has ideas on how to do this I will vote for him again. Elmo you are a scarry old guy that needs to get out more--come to north rockdale to see how things are up there way way diff from honey creek. 2 cars north of the river ( did you know rockdale has a river??) backup is a long long ways off . what about officer safety?? Change?? what about bullet proof vest thats a change what about radios cars automatic weapons those are changes it's time for changes to keep up with the tide of crime so THE LAWS can be enforced
wayne 11 months, 2 weeks ago
You do know Rockdale has more that "A" river, don't you? You need to come down south once in a while. It's scary that a young guy wouldn't know that.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Bubba you better check your facts. Last time I checked each Deputy HAS body armor, each HAS a car with a radio and some even have automatic weapons. You might want to check into the allegation of only 2 cars in north Rockdale as well.
Elmo 11 months, 1 week ago
Bubba, I grew up in your area, and probably know more about the Yellow river than you will ever know. Like Zo, your vision of law enforcement is based on the prism through which you view your chosen candidate. I, too, am a Republican, and being a "scary old guy" just means that I have been around a lot longer than you, and obviously a lot wiser. You seem to watch "Law and Order" too much. It's a good campaign speech, but seemingly not based in reality. Incidentally, I don't know Wigginton personally, and he doesn't know me.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes,but what you fail to realize is Ferguson operates in the proactive mode. It's like Wigington's mode is "I'll get ID guard after my identity is stolen". Ferguson "proactive mentality" stems from his years in Fulton County which has seen its share of high profile criminals. As we all see crime is on the rise in Rockdale. It's time to change the guard, because what's upon the horizon (arm robbery, kidnapping, rape, murder, etc) will soon be a reality unless it's curtailed by becoming "PROACTIVE" with Ferguson!
heresyafacts 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Identifying yourself as the current Sheriff of Rockdale County on LinkedIn is not "proactive" -- it is "lying". http://www.linkedin.com/pub/donald-ferguson/18/80a/809
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Now, now heresyafacts, maybe he isn't 'lying' (again). It's just a 'regrettable oversight' resulting in a 'clerical error' by an OverZealous campaign worker, which I am sure will soon be 'corrected' for accuracy. Kind of the same excuse that will be provided for the other 'regrettable oversignts' that initially resulted in 'inaccurate' information being placed on the campaign website and other social media. Anyhow, the pattern of 'regrettable oversights' are pertinent actions that speak loudly to character, or lack thereof. Again, projected image tends to be more important than substance.
Facts are stubborn things, especially when someone can't even accurately represent personal facts about their self!
P.S. Hope you captured that regrettable oversight before it corrected to more accurately portray the 'facts.'
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
He doesn't need to change it. "Sheriff Rockdale County "2012" is not the same as him stating something like sheriff of Rockdale County which he didn't say..If you can't differentiate the 2 then something is wrong. He's speaking on the fact he will be Sheriff in 2012, "Sheriff Rockdale County "2012"
heresyafacts 11 months, 2 weeks ago
The entry says "current" Sheriff Rockdale County. It does not say 'running for sheriff'. The entry is intended to mislead. If you can't differentiate between actual fact and misleading statement, then something is definitely wrong.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the link didn't know this existed. I think he's speaking from an optimistic stand point...Sheriff Rockdale County "2012" at Conyers, Georgia. But again, that's another attribute that separates Ferguson from the More Of The Same Partners, Wigington & Levett, he's a visionary!!!.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Agreed that its another attribute that distinguishes Ferguson as the dishonest candidate. Yet, again, projected image tends to be more important than substance.
Facts are stubborn things, especially when someone can't even accurately represent personal facts about their self
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
is it just me or does Zo and Bubba sound a lot alike?
pressman7 11 months, 2 weeks ago
It's just you
INJUSTICE_FOR_ALL 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I could clean this county up, if i was sheriff.But some/most would not agree, racial profiling . yes, whites,blacks and hispanics. roadblocks, everyday
ClaytonBigsby 11 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm with you, INJUSTICE_FOR_ALL. That's exactly what I'd do. It's a bit against my liberty loving creed, but I'd love to see roadblocks all over the place--we need 'em.
pressman7 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Isn't that the truth; but, I would go as far back as when Stonecrest was opened.
BUBBA 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Elmo the old ideas don't work as well as they used to and new ones are needed. 20 years ago we didn't have the cyber crime new ideas were needed we got them thats is just one example Frustrated I am not nor have I ever been zo. I have no idea who this person is. I vote republican allways have and probably allways will.I don't spew racial hate and never will. I voted for the present admin every election but things have changed in Rockdale and so does the ideas we have about governing it. When I moved here there were only 30K population and now 70K we aren't keeping up with whats going on here. Elmo I'm not saying the laws aren't being inforced what I am saying is the way we go about policing needs to cgange to conform with the changing tid of population and crime. If we stand on one street corner inforcing the laws on the books where at one time this is where all the crime took place and the criminals go to another corner what good are the laws on the books. For the last several years if you need an officer in --lets say north west Rockdale how long do you have to wait?? Trust me it a long time for someone to show because there aren't but a couple of cars in this area. Any time something happens up there cars from all over the county have to race like mad men/women to get up there to help. I listen to the scanner sometimes and it is scarry to think if more than one event happens we might be sol for too long of a time. Your idea of everything is fine and we need no change at all is the worst thing of all and tells me exactly what is wrong with this county. Can you tell me how many home envasions have happened in rockdale?? there were several (not reported by the citizen) unsolved burgulares?? the SO gets there way late because the resorses are spread to diff, areas and need to be reassesed to fit the changing needs. When you have any idea what your talking about maybe some of the people on here might take you for your word but sitting in your easy chair aint gonna do it get out and see ALL OF THE COUNTY not just YOUR little area. I aplaude you comitment to your buddy Jeff and like I said I as well voted for him every election. But without change we would still be policing on horses instead of cars we would have no radios no computers for the officers.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Since Zo never had and has no intent to actually discover the truth, I personally took responsibility for doing his job (guess that makes me an enabler). I stopped by CPD while running some errands this afternoon. It appears someone has a credibility problem. I learned some facts:
1) An individual was observed illegally placing campaign signs at the intersection of Hwy 138 & Flat Shoals. This resulted in a complaint called into CPD directly, not through 911.
2) Two (2) officers, not 5, responded to inform the individual(s) of the law regarding campaigning and signs. A third officer did show up, but not because of the complaint. This officer needed to obtain some unrelated information from his supervisor, who is one of the original two officers on the scene, and obviously knew where he could find his supervisor.
3) This complaint, which resulted from the Washington and Ferguson campaigns illegally campaigning, and the LE response to the complaint occurred more than 1 hour prior to the robbery.
4) The call to report the robbery was received around 2:15 and the CPD response time to the scene was less than 1 minute.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Come on you have posted all my other post, but not this one;
It's amazing how a citizen running errands can get so much info..what is the case# & how many cititations were issued? You say 3 patrol cars, but we saw 5 patrol cars all responding to a non 911 call which is still recorded. A regular person driving from Chevron to cleaners 3 minutes, but with sirens it's reduced to 1min. The point missed is that those units plus a supervisor could have been patrolling instead of harassing citizens. Sad, even Black men doing right still get harassed by Conyers PD. vpubic thanks for the info.
Frizzlefry 11 months, 2 weeks ago
and boom goes the dynamite. Pulling out the card again.
Frustrated 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo you could have gotten the same information if you had wanted. It just takes a little effort on your part which evidently you arent willing to do. You are happy and content to sit back and make allegations you cant back up. How do you know those other patrol cars werent going somewhere else in that area? That corner isnt the only part of the city police cars ride around and patrol. Guess in your opinion its all a big conspiracy against Ferguson.
Clark 11 months, 2 weeks ago
So you want them patrolling 5 or more minutes away instead of sitting 3 minutes away?
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo,
The facts come directly from the Conyers PD. Now, I don't know what you saw, what you think you saw, or how you may perceive what you saw or think you saw. I simply provided the FACTS that I obtained from the Conyers PD.
The campaigning/sign ordinance violation was called in directly to the PD, not through 911. Thus, there is no 911 tape.
There were no citations issued. The violators were provided verbal guidance.
Two officers responded to the complaint.
The Conyers PD response to the robbery 911 call was less than a minute (CONGRATULATIONS Conyers PD, excellent response time).
I'll agree with you Zo, it is possible that those units could have ignored a complaint of illegal behavior an been out patrolling somewhere else and their response time to the 911 robbery call would have likely been more than 1 minute. Further, if they had been out patrolling there is almost no chance they would have deterred the premeditated robbery of Plaza Cleaners.
And, sadly, your belief perseverance has made you completely predictable - you once again place the race card despite that the reason your candidates of choice received admonishment is because THEIR CAMPAIGNS WERE VIOLATING THE LAW. Thus, it appears that Zo is FOR selective law enforcement based on race (which is racial inequality d profiling). Further, some can assume that the candidates Zo supports are also for the same ideology.
Frizzlefry 11 months, 2 weeks ago
♫ It's rainin' men, oop, wrong message board, It's rainin' cold hard facts up in here.
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Glad to report NO crime reported today, see that patrolling pays off.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nice try, but not true:
Case Number: 12-046374 Date: 6/10/2012 7:30 PM Location: 1100 BLOCK WEST AVE Description: MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT 16-8-2
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
The distance between West Ave & Hwy138 & FlatShoals is over 2 or 3 miles. If that is your ONLY example of crime for the day, then AGAIN the patrolling paid off in the area of the cleaners & Chevron.
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Zo, you said NO crime TODAY (emphasized) that was posted yesterday. You didn't specify any intersection. But, to entertain you, there was no crime reported on Sunday, June 10, 2012 at the intersection of Hwy 138 & Flat Shoals Road (specifically) the 'Chevron' station AND there were no candidates illegally campaigning there yesterday evening that would necessitate distracting law enforcement from more pressing matters!
Zo 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Man, I've posted so many responses, but I see ONLY a select few have made it. I wanted to know why Code Enforcement isn't out looking for signs and allow the officers to protect the citizens?
VPublicola 11 months, 2 weeks ago
They are. I made a bipartisan report of several illegally placed signs about 3 weeks ago to Code Enforcement and the signs were removed about 6 days later.
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